the bride of Christ will not go through the tribulation

Published on Aug 14, 2015 We must all face the facts and realize that all of us have friends and family members that are going to miss the rapture. In our new video, "The Rapture and the Thief in the Night," we give a step by step explanation of what has happened, why it happened, what to expect next, and what they must do and what they must not do! Prayerfully our friends and family members will watch this video before the Rapture and not miss it, but some will certainly be Left Behind! Every believer needs to watch this video and share it with their unsaved friends, and family members. This video explains why the Rapture is the Blessed Hope of every believer and how this event is different from the Second Coming. It also explains what a person is to do if they miss the Rapture, and the events of the Tribulation, the Antichrist and the Mark of the Beast. It is an excellent witnessing tool that will prayerfully keep many from missing the Rapture, at the same time it's also, a valuable guide for those Left Behind. Category News & Politics License Standard YouTube License SHOW LESS COMMENTS • 2,242 Oscar del Rosario Add a public comment... Top comments Peter Rappit Peter Rappit6 months ago Pre Trib Rapture is the only correct doctrine Reply 29 View all 167 replies Mike Bryan Mike Bryan2 weeks ago then why are you still breathing? that is proof.? Reply Peter Rappit Peter Rappit5 days ago Mike Bryan God is not willing for any to perish. Reply Jin Davethefirst Jin Davethefirst4 months ago The Lord our GOD will orchestrate events exactly the way he sees fit, So let's watch and pray for our redemption is not far away. .. Reply 29 fourteen fourteen3 months ago Precisely! be blessed. Reply 7 Ash Kroft Ash Kroft11 months ago pre Trib. the bride of Christ will not go through the tribulation. Reply 26 View all 274 replies thetruthimpart thetruthimpart4 months ago +fourteen Yes a man made teaching, by pre-trib believers, because that also is man made. Reply Emily Matias Emily Matias1 month ago Ash Kroft don't know about that, I feel I am. Reply wang tie wang tie3 months ago COME LORD JESUS COME. PLEASE PREPARE OUR HEARTS TO RECIEVE YOU . Reply 28 View all 25 replies tyhrenesha jones tyhrenesha jones2 days ago wang tie yes you are right about this one i pray to God for forgiveness for my sins Reply cindy marshall cindy marshall1 year ago (edited) No matter where you place the Rapture in the End Times Scenario, if you believe in the Lord’s all-sufficient work on the cross, then you know that the Church has to be protected from the End Times judgments, not purified by them. If you don’t believe the Lord’s work was sufficient, but that the coming judgments are needed to finish what He only began, then you have much bigger problems than figuring out when the Rapture will occur. Blessings and Benefits of Calvary A New Dispensation from the Risen Lord Jesus Christ for Salvation today 1Corinthians 15:1-4 #1 The Blessing of Reconciliation -a change in status2 Corinthians 5:18-21 #2 The Blessing of Redemption Ephesians 1:7; Rom 3:24; Gal 3:13; Col 1:17 #3 The Blessing of Propitiation (Romans 3:25; 1 Timothy 2:6) #4 The Forgiveness of ALL Sin ( Eph 4:32; Col 2:13) #5 The Blessing of Justification (Rom 3:24-30; 4:5, 25; 5:1:9; Titus 3:7) #6 The Blessing of Sanctification (set apartness) Gal 3:27; Eph 5:30, 32 #7 Crucified With Christ (Gal 2:20) #8 Died With Christ (Rom 6:8; 2 Tim 2:11) #9 Quickened With Christ (Eph 2:1, 5, Col 2:13) #10 Risen With Christ (Eph 2:6; Col2:12; 3:1) #11 Seated Together in The Heavenlies With Christ (eph2:6) #12 Joint heirs With Christ (8:17; Eph 3:6) #13 Indwelt By The Holy Spirit ( Rom 8:9) #14 Sealed By The Holy Spirit Eph 4:30.;2 Cor1:21-22,,Eph1:12-14 #15 Recipients Of Spiritual Circumcision (Col 2:11 #16 We Are a New Creation (2 Corinthians 5:17) #17 Called Saints (1 Cor 1:2; 2 Cor 1:1; Eph 1:18, 2:19; 4:12, 5:3) #18 Hidden With Christ in God.(Colossians 3:3) #19 Freedom From The Law ( Rom 8:2) #20 Freedom From Sin (Rom 6:18,22) #21 Delivered "From The Power Of Darkness (Col 1:13) #22 Children Of Light ( Eph 5:1; 1 Thess 5:5) #23 Freedom From God's Condemantion (1 Thess 5:9) #24 Predestined To Union (Eph 1:3-4) #25 Predestined to Glorification (Rom 8:29) #26 Predestined To Adoption (Eph 1:5) #27 Made Fit For The Inheritance of the Saints in Light (Complete in Him; Col 1:12) #28 In The Kingdom of The Son of His Love ( Col 1:13) #29 Citizens of Heaven (Phil 3:20; 1 Thes 4:17) #30 Recipients of God's Word (Eph 6:17; Col 1:25; 1 Thes 2:13) #31 Subjects of Grace Dispensation ( Eph 3:2; Col 1:25) #32 Recipients of The Mystery (Rom 11:25, 16:25; 1 Cor 2:17; Eph 3:3, 9; Col 1:26, 2:2) #33 Vessels For Holy Spirit Fruit (Gal 5:22; Eph 5:9) #34 Led By The Spirit (Rom 8:14) #35 Equipped For Spiritual Warfare (Eph 6:13-19) #36 Recipients of Holy Spirit Intercession. (Rom 8:26-28) #37 Objects of His Love (Eph 2:4) #38 Objects of His Grace ((Every epistle of Paul) #39 Objects of His Power (Eph 1:18-20) #40 Objects of His Peace (Every epistle of Paul) #41 Objects of His Purpose (Eph 1:11, 3:11; 2 Tim 1:9) #42 ETERNALLY SECURE (Rom 8:38-39) #43 God's Eternal Exhibit (Eph 3:10) #44 Promised Reward 1 Cor 4:5. Matthew 16:27, 2Corinthians5:10, Corinthians2:9 #45 Recipients of All Spiritual Blessings (Eph 1: 3) Read more Reply 24 View all 116 replies cindy marshall cindy marshall2 weeks ago Roger Greenhough Dont be so sure of that...Jesus says " Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh." I believe Him over Stellarium aka NASA. Could be much sooner.... Reply 1 Tony Eaton Tony Eaton2 weeks ago +Roger Greenhough That would be 3.5 years into Daniel's 70th week. That would also put the body of Christ through God's judgements And Scripture clearly says we are not appointed to wrath Romans 5 9 1st thes 1 10 1st thes 5 9 Scripture also says in rev 3 10 that Jesus is going to keep us from the hour of temptation that will come upon the whole world to test those who dwell upon the earth. We are not earth dwellers according to Scripture John 15 19 John 18 36 So who are the earth dwellers? According to Scripture the earth dwellers are the unsaved people Rev 6 10 Rev 11 10 Rev 13 8.  Read more Reply Pmi Center Pmi Center6 months ago The Body of Christ will not go through Israel’s tribulation. To begin with, Israel and the Body of Christ are not the same. Neither are God’s plans for them. God’s plan for Israel concerns Christ returning to earth in a spectacular event called the Revelation – to inaugurate His Kingdom in Jerusalem (Matt. 24-25; Rev. 19-20. This plan was “spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began” (Acts 3:21; see Luke 1:70). God’s plan for the Body of Christ is completely different. It concerns our heavenly inheritance, not an earthly kingdom. Jesus revealed this program to Paul only as a mystery “kept secret since the world began” (Rom. 16:25; see Eph. 3:3-9). In that it began as a mystery, it will likewise disappear in a mystery called the Rapture; an any moment event whereby Jesus returns for us in the air (1 Thess. 4:16-17), snatches us from earth, and takes us back to Heaven with Him (John 14:2-3) – when “the fulness of the Gentiles be come in” (Rom. 11:25). Then comes the time of Jacob’s trouble – aka tribulation. The tribulation - as it is most commonly known (Moses: Deut. 4:30; Jesus: Matt. 24:21, 29; John: Rev. 7:14) - is part of God’s earthly program for Israel. It is also called “the time of Jacob’s trouble” (Jer. 30:7; Dan. 12:1; Zeph. 1:15), Daniel’s Seventieth Week (Dan. 9:26-27), and “the hour of temptation” (Rev. 3:10. It has no bearing on the Body of Christ, which will be gone before it begins. From the beginning it was prophesied to Israel (Deut. 4:30), and thus is primarily for Israel (Jer. 30-31; Dan. 12:1, Zeph. 1:15; Matt. 24:21, 29). Its purpose is to punish sin and sinners (Jer. 30-31; Zeph. 1; Joel; Rev. 6-19), and prepare earth and Israel for the Revelation of the Messiah and the Jewish (Millennial) Kingdom promised to David in perpetuity through Covenant (2 Sam. 7:8-16), and sealed with an oath (Psa. 89:3-4, 20-37; see Luke 1:31-33). While the prophets revealed the tribulation as a horrific but integral component in the Day of the Lord (Isa. 2:12, etc ), it was Daniel’s prophecy where its duration was revealed as the final week of seven years in his seventy week prophecy for Israel (Dan. 9:24-27; see Rev. 11:2-3; 12:14). To wit, while we can easily find Israel and the anti-Semitic Gentile nations on earth during “the time of Jacob’s trouble” (Jer. 30:7; Dan. 12:1; Zeph. 1:15), the heavenly Body of Christ - which has been promised deliverance from this divine punishment (1 Thess. 1:10; 5:9; 2 Thess. 2:5-7; Rev. 3:10; see also Rev. 4:1) - is conspicuously absent (Rev. 6-19). There isn’t a prophecy or a single verse anywhere in the Bible conclusively identifying the Body of Christ on earth during Israel’s tribulation without pulling from context and redefining the words “saints” and “elect” - which in Daniel, the Olivet Discourse, and Revelation specifically refer to Israel. In lieu of these factors we are convinced that the Body of Christ will not go through Israel’s tribulation! Read more Reply 15 View all 19 replies SambucaLovesCaz SambucaLovesCaz2 months ago +Pmi Center Great post. Thankyou! Reply 1 Pmi Center Pmi Center2 months ago You are welcome SambucaLovesCaz Reply David Bento David Bento3 months ago To deny the pre-trib rapture is to deny Israel's 70th week to repent and receive their Messiach,, Yeshua Ha Messiach! Jesus was cut of at the 69th week of years and we entered the age of grace at the final trump of the age the the tribulation age will begin after the bride is taken out of the way, people that deny the pre-trib rapture are into replacement theology and deny the blessing coming to Israel during the tribulation!.Whe the restrainer (Holy Spirit is taken out of the way in the body of Christians at the rapture! <>< Read more Reply 13 View all 42 replies Desmond Gleeson Desmond Gleeson2 days ago Public teaching of the Pre-Trib Rapture originated in the British Isles during the 1830s. (The Jesuits did some “futurist creativity” in the prophetic arena many years prior to that time.) The Pre-Trib “theory” was then “transported” to America a little bit later, and was popularized by the “Scofield Study Bible”. To believe in the Pre-Trib Rapture, one must ignore several key Bible verses that speak directly against the Pre-Trib Rapture, such as John 17:15 where the Lord Jesus Christ Himself prays that the Father NOT take believers OUT OF the world – and I Thessalonians 4:16, 17 (which says that the Christians living at the time of Jesus Christ’s return are not caught up UNTIL AFTER the “dead in Christ” are raised “FIRST”)! Read more Reply Joseph Arballo Joseph Arballo1 year ago guys the mid or post cannot be because Jesus said no one knows the day or the hour but we can actually mathematically calculate based on the book of Daniel once the tribulation the mid and the post so that doctrine is flase. I know a lot of people will be mad but I have to say the truth but people tend to forget that the rapture is not going to save you is through Jesus christ mercy and grace so please people don't get upset if someone believes different Read more Reply 13 View all 34 replies thetruthimpart thetruthimpart7 months ago (edited) +fourteen They know when Rosh Hashanah starts, for it the beginning of every new year and they may have not known the exact time, of the rise of the new moon, of the new year but today you can follow the moon and know exactly, when it will be visible from Israel and Jesus comes, at the last trump. The announcing of the new year would be the first trump and not the last and the end would and is also known, either 1 or 2 days later depending on what tradition. There are 100’s of trumps blown during this festival and a trump is sounded every day of the preceding month of Elul. The Lord Jesus says no man knows the day or hour of His return and is not for us to know the time and season He will restore Israel yet they teach this to be the time of His return, this is a false teaching Read more Reply Puffy 2016 Puffy 20164 months ago Thats laughable Satan is absolutely real and causes chaos everyday. Him and his demons steal, kill, and destroy. If you dare ask and you shall receive. Many of the problems you have in life is from them. They are for real. Reply 11 View all 4 replies Joy Wurdemann Joy Wurdemann1 week ago COME TO JESUS NOW BROTHERS AND SISTERS, BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE! JESUS LOVES US ALL, AND IS COMING VERY VERY SOON! GOD BLESS YOU! MARANATHA! Reply 2 Jkandjk LK2017 Jkandjk LK20172 days ago Puffy 2016 yep Reply John Dowd John Dowd11 months ago unfortunately the rapture was used as a selling point, and people had their ears tickled . pre or post one needs to accept jesus as lord and saviour to be saved and not look to a get out of jail free card. Reply 9 View all 21 replies TheTurtlee1 TheTurtlee17 months ago +Peter Rappit I guess Paul and John didn't see it that way then. Them old fools! eh?! Oh wait, Jacob and Peter did too! Reply Peter Rappit Peter Rappit7 months ago +TheTurtlee1 I am Peter Rappit and on my rock the Church of Christ Jesus is being built. will continue praying for you that you will see the truth Reply tynisha johnson tynisha johnson5 months ago The rapture is after the tribulation. Matthew 24;29-31 Reply 8 View all 42 replies Peter Rappit Peter Rappit2 months ago duchess eagle the word 'rapture' isn't BUT the doctrine definitely is...📕 Reply David Entrot David Entrot2 months ago tynisha johnson you cant't use one verse to prove or disprove a subject matter. The video clearly shows through many verses that it doesn't occur after the great tribulation. Jesus does clearly say we will see "tribulations". We won't see Gods wrath. Reply 3 Gabriel Bonfim Gabriel Bonfim2 months ago This was such a very good video well explained. The world needs to know about Jesus and his wrath which won't delay to be poured out onto this crooked generation! Reply 7 prince blessing anusi prince blessing anusi3 months ago I believe there's rapture, there is only one God, shalom Reply 8 Elijahbakercalcity2 555903323 Elijahbakercalcity2 5559033232 months ago God bless you man bless you Reply SnowCat0208 SnowCat02088 months ago At first, I was not ready for the Rapture or the tribulation. But now I believe that I am ready because I believe that Jesus said that He will not leave me or forsaken, He will always be with me, forever till the end of time. Reply 6 View all 6 replies barry lax barry lax3 months ago +barry lax how are you Siri Reply Emily Matias Emily Matias1 month ago SnowCat0208 me too! still waiting, but I feel that God for a reason, still wants me to hang around in this wretched planet, ugh. Reply Natalie Natalie10 months ago Pre-Trib-means hope if your a believer Reply 8 View all 130 replies Neil Wani Neil Wani7 months ago +TheTurtlee1 Enjoy your rapture at the resurrection of Daniel 12:1-7 with the righteous dead. For you, this is the first resurrection spoken of by the prophet Daniel. Reply Shay Lopez Shay Lopez1 year ago I'm going to say that I believe the Lord his going to protect his saints. That's me and no person on earth can change my mind. He's a loving God and Jesus saved us not to hurt us. So before are after I believe in my Lord's love. He will protect us. Reply 9 View all 6 replies Tony Eaton Tony Eaton10 months ago +ravenwolf789 ok thank you for the clarification I agree 100%, sadly I have or had a good friend who has joined this cult. I tried to warn her but sadly she choose to follow them instead of Jesus.  Reply JR JR10 months ago +Tony Eaton You know Tony she likely needs it and they are good people its just that they will have to die to gain salvation when it comes and there will be no way around it but I am convince that some people want to die and are willing to to end their guilt and gain paradise kinda like Islam have to die to get paradise but having 70 virgins to me is no paradise if they never put out (sorry but no other way to put it guy to guy right?) can you imagine the hell being married to 70 knock outs forever like that? Read more Reply MessengerOfTruth MessengerOfTruth1 year ago 1) CHURCH AND THE HOLY SPIRIT REMOVED -Revelation 3v22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. -Revelation 13v9 If any man have an ear, let him hear Why is the Church and Spirit mentioned before the Tribulation starts, but not seen again once Tribulation begins? 2) HOLY SPIRIT IS TAKEN 2 Thessalonians 2v7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way This is the Holy Spirit. Some believe this is the Church, but the Church is never called by the masculine “He.” A Bride cannot be a “He.” Furthermore, it is always been the Spirit that retrains mankind from sin before Christianity or Judaism even existed. It is the Spirit who pricks our conscious, telling us not to do this, not to say that, or not to go there. He does it for all men of every generation. Will the Holy Spirit leave the saints alone on earth? Absolutely not. The Comforter is sent TO the real Christians. We know who He is. So obviously, once the Church leaves, the Comforter won’t remain behind in a world full of sinners and hypocrites. Likewise, the Comforter would not leave and abandon us either. Point #1 shows that both the Spirit and the Church leave together. In 1977, lighting caused a thermal overload, causing a black out in New York. By the thousands, defiant people headed into the streets, stealing clothing, TVs, looting … and then people started mugging and robbing each other. In one night, about 1,600 stores were looted. About 1,037 fires were started. And the damage expense to the city was about 300,000+ million … in one night some near 40 years ago. When you take away light, and the systems the deter crime such as alarm and surveillance systems, and the inability of the police to communicate or respond (or even see), the nature of mankind shows strong. It was lawlessness. People believed they were beyond the reach of the law, as if God can’t see in the dark. When you remove the restraining source of light and other restrictions, people abandon civility. So, when we read about how the Holy Spirit is TAKEN OUT OF THE WAY, there will be utter chaos. It will be utter GLOBAL lawlessness. 2b) THREE DWELLINGS WITH MANKIND This is why blaspheming is the only unpardonable sin. Men who reject the call to repentance will have no hope beyond deaths door. God dwelled with mankind (Moses – Malachi). They constantly rebelled and He withdrew His presence. Strike one. God the Son dwelled with mankind and then left. Strike two. “My Spirit shall not always strive with men.” So, what makes any of you think that God the Spirit will not also leave? He will. And that is strike three. There is NO FOURTH DWELLING. There is no fourth invitation. Rejecting the Holy Spirit is to seal your damnation for sure, because none shall call you unto Repentance when He leaves. 3) NO HOLY SPIRIT = NO REPENTANCE Revelation 9v20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: 21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts. Revelation 16v9 And men … blasphemed the name of God, … and they repented not to give him glory. Revelation 16v11 And blasphemed the God of heaven … and repented not of their deeds Why does Revelation say that men will not repent so many times? It is the Holy Spirit who calls men to repentance. No one “chooses” Salvation. No man can repent unless called by the Spirit. This is why there are so many half-baked “Christians” running around, claiming to be part of us, but they are not, but are Nicolaitans whose deed of claiming to be among us, is hated by God. YouTube is full of them, and I can guarantee you that the ones who challenge this list are exactly that sort of person. They have walked to an alter, but they were not called, and their conversation/repentance is of the flesh, not the spirit. Psalms 2 shows the Father speaking, then the Son, and then the Spirit who says “kiss the Son lest he be angry at you and you perish in your way.” Even then the Hebrew Scriptures tell us the role of the Comforter. Jesus Himself told us that He would keep us, lead us, guide us, and bring to remembrance all these things, even that He will convict the world of sin. It is the Spirit who calls men to repentance. No Spirit = no repentance. 4) TWENTY FOUR ELDERS IN HEAVEN Revelation 5v2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints 12 patriarchs of the 12 Tribes of Israel 12 Disciples How’d they get IN Heaven BEFORE the FIRST Seal is even broken? 5) UNCOUNTABLE NUMBER IN HEAVEN Revelation 7v9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, … How did the uncountable number get into Heaven, while Tribulation is going on in the earth? How’d they get there if there is no Pre-Trib Rapture? This is certainly not Post. These are the Raptured souls of every saint from the first righteous Abel through Noah, through Job, through Micah, through John, up through to the last convert. 6) PRAISE OF THE UNCOUNTABLE NUMBER Revelation 7v9 … clothed with white robes, and palms in their hand 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. Why do the uncountable number have palm branches and are praising God for Salvation? Don’t you know that they are glorifying God that their Salvation is complete? They have entered the Rest. They will not have temptation or pain ever again. They are giving thanks to God for their Salvation, in this time, truly is secure. It is ALL over for this number. But, Tribulation is going on in the earth while we see them in Heaven. Obviously these are the saints and elect of God since even before Judaism or Christianity existed … all the way up to the last true Convert. God bless the Brethren of the Fold, and all the Saints of God! Hallelujah to the Lamb of God, and He that sits upon the Throne! He has redeemed us from among men; from all generations, tribes, colors, nations, tongues and creeds! 7) FROM (or IN) THE HOUR? Revelation 3v10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth It says FROM the hour, not IN the hour. Big difference. 8) WHAT’S SO BLESSED ABOUT THE “BLESSED HOPE”? Titus 2v13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ Why is it a BLESSED HOPE? What is so blessed about enduring Tribulation? Who is “happy” about that? What sort of husband puts his own wife through the worst time of her life, then shows up at the end saying, “Its OK honey! I’m here!” She will divorce him on the spot! Not only did he cause it, but he waited til it was already all over. She doesn’t need him after it’s over. But Post-Tribbers defame God by suggesting that He will do exactly this. 9) ANATHEMA MARANATHA Let those who do not believe be anathema maranatha. That means, let them be reserved for the worst of woes when the Lord returns. But, we know that at the Second Coming, the Lord returns for the Jews once they cry out to Him, and He will be their King, and rule the world. Mankind will destroy its weapons and learn war no more. There will be no temptation because Satan will be bound for 1,000 years. There is no “worst of woes” in that. Judgment will not even occur until after those 1,000 years have ender. However, at the Rapture, what follows is Great Tribulation, which the Bible says is the worst time in human history. Jacobs Trouble is the worst the Jews have ever seen – worst than Babylon, Rome and Germany. Even angels in Heaven shout “WOE! WOE TO THE INHABITANTS OF THE EARTH!” Anathema maranatha cannot possibly be Post-Tribulation. 10) WAR IN HEAVEN - WHY? Revelation 12v7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, Why after all these eons is there suddenly a major battle in Heaven? Ever think that this could be the RAPTURE OF THE SAINTS and Satan is trying to keep the raptured souls out? After all, if the souls enter the Kingdom, Satan knows the Dispensation of Grace has ended, which puts him closer to his own Judgment. Satan isn't after souls as your movies and books suggest. He is not at war with God (God has no enemies and none can contend with Him). I believe Satan is trying to AVOID his own fate, and the only way he can avoid his fate is to prevent Gods Word from coming true. This is why both Jews and Christians are the target. Wipe them out, and God cannot fulfill His Promise. If He cannot fulfill His Promise, He cannot fulfill His Word, and if He cannot fulfill His Word, He cannot punish Satan. THAT is why Satan is after. He is trying to save his own behind. What other possible reason would there be war in Heaven … after all these eons? And since this is at the time of the Rapture, this war clearly occurs at the onset of the Tribulation, Jacobs Trouble. 11) MARRIAGE FEAST OF THE LAMB If there is no Pre-Tribulation Rapture, what room is there for the Marriage Feast of the Lamb (which consist of three parts, with the first two parts already completed)? Maybe one day I’ll update this to explain the Jewish marriage process. 12) CHURCH DOGMA #1 There is no such thing as the 144,000 "evangelizing" the world. Keeping His testimony does not automatically mean, or suggest, evangelizing. John calls this entire Book the “testimony of Jesus.” And who is the Messiah sent to, but the Jews? It does not suggest that this is about the “Gospel message.” Some Christians tend to insert “Christian” where the Word of God says “saint” or “elect”. Similarly, some insert “Gospel” where “keeping the testimony of Jesus” is seen. But is that what the Bible actually says … or it is an insertion? We should not be as the heathen are. 13) CHURCH DOGMA #2 Likewise, there is no such thing as teaching the Gospel in Revelation either. In fact, there is nothing in Revelation that says, "Repent! Turn to Jesus, and be saved." Nothing at all. The opportunity of Salvation through the Dispensation of Grace is over. It ends at the Rapture, much like the Door of the Ark being closed shut. Instead, the only thing that allows Salvation in that new Dispensation is to "not take the mark of the beast, or worship the image" as we can clearly read in Revelation for ourselves. So again, like I mentioned in point #2, where is the CHURCH or the SPIRIT in this? They aren’t mentioned. 14) THEORY OR THEOLOGY? MEN VS DEMONS Demons will roam the earth, tormenting mankind, possibly visible to the human eye, taking them to the brink of death, but not killing them. And a Post-Trib person thinks that God would allow this to happen to His own people, knowing that Jesus clearly did not play games with demons or tolerate them when He walked the earth? Post-Trib people make a serious error in the Character of God (they do not know His ways). And if they refuse these teachings, mark them well, and know their spirit, for nothing that goes against the Character of God or the Spirit of Truth is of God. 15) BLOOD OF THE LAMB SAVES, NOT SETS ASIDE FOR WRATH Trust in the Blood of the Lamb. Brothers, you are not perfect or sinless (though we strive to be). It is not about us, it is about the LAMD OF GOD WHO TAKES AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD. When the Father look upon us, He still sees sin and is highly disappointed, even angry. But He looks past us and SEES THE BLOOD! It is the blood of Jesus that God (the Triune Being) sees, and when He sees the Blood, it is then that He called us INNOCENT. So, trust in the Blood of Jesus. It is your ticket for deliverance through your belief and obedience. I know I am telling you the Truth. 16) BACK TO BASICS: ABRAHAM Genesis 18 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt Thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked? … That be far from Thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from Thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? I am begging you post-tribbers who have genuinely been deceived. I am begging the Brethren of the Fold who have believed the lie. How can you not hear the Voice of Truth? How can you turn from the Spirit of Truth? “Oh you foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the Truth?” Will you, after all your claims to know God; will you now have Abraham stand alone? Will you now mock the very founder of your faith? Will you now say that you know the Character of God better than Abraham? Was Abraham wrong about Gods Character when he said that God would NOT punish the righteous with the wicked? Then why do you not trust in the faith and knowledge of our forefather of faith, instead of this demonic new wind of doctrine? Even Abraham knew the character of God would do no such thing – punish the righteous with the wicked. And Abraham had NO SCRIPTURES or examples to teach him. He had nothing. But what he did have was a relationship with God to know the Character (Ways) of God, even before any Scripture existed! Where is your “relationship” to know the Character of God? Why do you speak sin against Him? How great is your punishment for your unbelief, for you have the stories and examples of Israel and the warnings to not do what they did! You have the Scriptures to tell you the Character of God and you have NEVER seen the righteous destroyed by the Hand of God, yet you believe He will do what you profess, with not even one Scripture to support you? “O you foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not believe the Truth?” 17) BACK TO BASICS: JOB If you cannot be faithful and trust Abraham (shame, shame on you), then trust Job: Job 34v10 Therefore hearken unto me, ye men of understanding: far be it from God, that he should do wickedness; and from the Almighty, shat he should commit iniquity Pay attention ye men of understanding. See that it is an offense to Gods Character for you to say He will punish the wicked with the righteous. 18) BACK TO BASICS: NOAH Wasn't Noah "raptured"? Wasn’t he lifted up from the earth? Wasn’t he taken to a place beyond the reach of Gods wrath? Is not Christ the Ark? Trust in the Ark to deliver us from God’s wrath, which, like the flood, must come upon the WHOLE EARTH. There is no place to run. Jesus is our Ark. “I am the Resurrection” - Jesus 19) BACK TO BASICS: LOT Genesis 19v16 And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the LORD being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city. Trust in Lot’s deliverance. He was literally “snatched out” (dragged) out of the city. God would not rain down His wrath until Lot was safe … even if it meant forcing him out to safety. That was just a single city. Where can we be dragged to when God pours out His wrath on the WHOLE EARTH? We must be taking away to safety, and that is the Rapture. 20) ALL ABOUT THE JEWS, NOT THE CHURCH: JACOBS TROUBLE Jeremiah 30v7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it. It was called Jacobs Trouble long before the Church even existed. 21) ALL ABOUT THE JEWS, NOT THE CHURCH: DRAGON vs SEED Revelation 12v13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child Why does the dragon return to earth to persecute the seed of the woman (Jews)? Why is there no mention of any Christians? Well, if you didn’t grasp my first point, you shouldn’t even be down this far, and you certainly should be responding or trying to pick a fight. 22) ALL ABOUT THE JEWS, NOT THE CHURCH: 144,000 Why are these all Jews? Why aren’t any “Christians” being sealed for protection of what is to come? Is God now showing favoritism to Jews, but ignoring the Bride of Christ? And why would the Bride be numbered in parts anyway? The whole Bride will be taken, not just a few. But with Jews, many are unsaved. So, God selects the innocents from among them – virgins, never told a lie, blameless, all male. They are probably babies and very young men, and they are most certainly descendants of Jacob. Sorry you Jewish converts, Jehovahs Witnesses, and Biblically dull Christians. The 144,000 has nothing to do with you. 23) ALL ABOUT THE JEWS, NOT THE CHURCH: THE PROMISE OF GOD God made Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and their seed (Israelites) a Promise. It is an EVERLASTING Covenant. If you don’t know the Scriptures, shame on you. You should. 24) ALL ABOUT THE JEWS, NOT THE CHURCH: MATTHEW 24 Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? Do you see it? The Disciples are asking Jesus a TWOFOLD QUESTION. Observe how Jesus answers. He talks about some of the end time signs, such as weather, wars, famines, etc, which we see today. And then Jesus says, “AND THEN THE END SHALL COME.” Basically, Jesus is saying that the end will come for His followers at the Rapture. But observe how Jesus continues to talk. Why say that is the end, but then keep on talking? But pay attention to what He is now talking about. He is talking about the Jews specifically. He is talking about Jews, the Jewish Temple, and even the land of Isreal. 25) ALL ABOUT THE JEWS, NOT THE CHURCH: SECOND COMING Luke 13:35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. Jesus told the Jews that they would never see His face again until they accept Him as the Messiah and God. I believe this will happen during Jacobs Trouble, which is the Great Tribulation, when the whole world hates the Jews and surround Israel to wipe them out. Sometime near the end of Jacobs Trouble, they will finally call on the Lord, and He will hear! And He will descend from Heaven with a mighty shout! He is coming WITH the saints! But He is coming FOR the Jews, of whom the PROMISE is committed! THIS IS THE MOMENT THAT ALL HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR, THE CATALYST OF THE PROMISE TO ABRAHAM AND THE FULFILLMENT OF THE COVENANT! So of course Jesus will descend with a mighty shout! It is a shout of triumph, victory, and celebration, as well as a war cry … because He is also coming to their aid. 26) ALL ABOUT THE JEWS, NOT THE CHURCH: BLINDNESS Romans 11v25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. Jews are doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing. But the hardening will not continue forever. Israel must be purified by fire. Jacobs Trouble (Great Tribulation) is that fire. Once the full number of Gentiles has come in (Rapture), the hardness will begin to lift. The Second Coming is NOT about getting the saints and the Church. The Rapture is for the Saints and the Church. The Second Coming is for the JEWS! And this is where these weak and carnal and even false Christians go wrong - they don’t seem to know that the KEY … is ISRAEL! 27) ALL ABOUT THE JEWS, NOT THE CHURCH: ZECHARIAH Zech 12v10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. Pouring out the “spirit of grace and supplication” does not say “My Spirit”. So don’t go jumping to conclusions about this being the Holy Spirit. Still, it is obvious that the Scripture it talking about the Jews. Over and over and over we see it always being attributed to the Jews. 28) ALL ABOUT THE JEWS, NOT THE CHURCH “Revelation is not about purifying the Church, but to prepare Israel. It is not about preparing the Church for her Bridegroom, but to prepare Israel for her King.” – Dr. Stephen Davey 29) EARLY CHURCH and PRE-TRIBULATION: 1ST THESS vs 2nd THESS Saints believed that the Lord would return in their own lifetime. Some thought that they already missed Him. Obviously, they were looking for Jesus, not a global tribulation and THEN the appearance. 30) EARLY CHURCH and PRE-TRIBULATION: … vs JOHN DARBY Men like Ieraneus, Cyprian, and Ephraim all wrote about a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. There are others also. But then the Roman Catholic Institution saturated the true Church and drove true Christians underground (into hiding). And for over a thousand years, the Doctrine was all but hardly ever mentioned. But then the Bible started to be written in a common langue of men, and men began to read for themselves. In the 1600s, men like Josephe Mede and Increase Mather wrote about the Pre-Tribulation Rapture. Then in the 1700s, men like William Cunninghame, Morgon Edwards, and John Gill did the same. But Post Tribbers, in great ignorance, try to tell you that it was either Margaret lady (who was influenced by the Church of Irvingnites) or John Darby who started the Pre-Tribulation belief in the 1800s. How very wrong and very unlearned they are! DARBY WASN’T EVEN BORN! There is also Dolcino, in the 1300’s, but I’m unfamiliar with his work/life. *********************** A) WARNING TO POST-TRIBBERS #1 Hebrews 3v10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do always err in their heart; and THEY HAVE NOT KNOWN MY WAYS {Character}. You publically defame the Character and Nature of God. You do the complete opposite of what Abraham did because you don’t know God. Abraham spent time with God and he knew his Character. Abraham didn’t have the Law nor the Scriptures, not the examples of Israels mistakes, but YOU have all of that, and still you do far worst than Abraham ever did! Because you don’t know God. And because you don’t know Him, you don’t know His Character, which you publically defame. B) WARNING TO POST-TRIBBERS #2 You spit on the testimony of Abraham, seen in Genesis 18. Shame, shame on you to do this to Abraham. And yet you think you will enter Abrahams Bosom? C) WARNING TO POST-TRIBBERS #3 You cannot find a single Scripture to show God punishing the righteous just to get at the wicked. You believe something that you cannot even support. D) WARNING TO POST-TRIBBERS #4 Romans 11v22 Behold therefore the goodness and SEVERITY of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. Paul warned you that God did not spare the angels, nor the natural branches, and He certainly will not spare any unnatural branch for doing what the Jews did. And you are doing the same thing even against the warnings! Murmuring and defaming God, fighting against His people, and full of unbelief! E) WARNING TO POST-TRIBBERS #5 Matthew 24v48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth -Christians aren’t the ones who preach a DELAY. YOU are. -Christians aren’t the ones who are drunk with those who are drunkards (not paying attention, not keeping watch). YOU are. -Christians aren’t the ones who are smiting fellowservants with your dumb videos and constant challenges against Church Doctrine. YOU are. -Christians wont be caught unaware, because we are watching. YOU will be Since you fit all four of those things mentioned in Matthew 24, what do you think happens to that servant in the end? Best you read the last verse. F) WARNING TO POST-TRIBBERS #6 Revelation 2v6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. Nicolaitans were a group of people just like Post-Tribbers. They also claimed to be “Christian” but weren’t. They also held very bad doctrines that challenged Christains and Church Doctrine … just like Post-Tribbers do today. So don’t ever think that you are safe hiding behind your self-appointed title of “Christian”. You are not safe. We HATE the deeds you bring, because you distort Scripture, spit on sacred things, and you defame the very Nature of God! G) WARNING TO POST-TRIBBERS #7 Hebrew 3v19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief. Where is YOUR ‘belief’? It doesn’t exist. So, do you think that you will enter the Promised Land above due to your unbelief, when Israel is an example that they could not enter the Promised Land below for unbelief? “I am the Lord. I change not.” Hebrews 3v12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God Hebrews 4v11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. Pay attention little ones. Those who have been decieved. Those who have not been taught correctly. There is no hope for those who fight agaisnt the Truth – those who “Christianity” doesn’t go beyond a YouTube thread. MATTHREW HENRY COMMENTARY: “Unbelief (with rebellion which is the consequent of it) is the great damning sin of the world, ESPEICALY THOSE WHO HAVE A REVELATION OF THE MIND AND WILL OF GOD. This sin shuts up the heart of God, and SHUTS UP THE GATE OF HEAVEN, AGAISNT THEM it lays them under the WRATH AND CURSE OF GOD,AND LEAVE THEM THERE; so that in truth and justice to himself he is obliged to CAST THEM OFF FOR EVER” DAVID GAZUK COMMENTARY: “They would not enter His rest: 11 times in Hebrews chapters 3 and 4, Hebrews speaks of entering rest. That rest will be deeply detailed in the next chapter. But here, the key to entering rest is revealed: BELIEF”. JAMIESON, FAUSEET & BROWN COMMENTARY: unbelief--faithlessness. Christ is faithful; therefore, saith Paul to the Hebrews, we ought not to be faithless as our fathers were under Moses. they could not enter--though desiring it. H) WARNING TO POST-TRIBBERS #8 There were 5 wise, but also 5 foolish. It is foolish to believe something that is not even in Scriptures, just as it is foolish to love a coming damnation instead of Life, just as it is foolish to believe what you believe after this very extensive list! You must want to face damnation. Worst than heathens some of you are! I) WARNING TO POST-TRIBBERS #9 “My sheep HEAR My voice” – Jesus There is only one reason you do not hear the Spirit of Truth. Only one reason. I’m sorry to be the one to inform you, but you are not His sheep. ********************* NOW, A WORD OF ADMONISHMENT AND ENCOURAGMENT TO THE CHRISTIAN BRETHREN, THAT YOU WILL KNOW THE JOY OF THE LOD, AND THAT YOU WILL REMAIN FAITHFUL AND STRENGTHENED. We are not “Pre-Tribulation Believers” We are not “Trinitarians” We are CHRISTIANS and any true Christian should believe these things (the war in Heaven is my own outlook). Watch. Pray. Fast. Obey. Read. Remain in Him. I don’t care how many of them rise up, even to the point that you are the ONLY ONE LEFT who believes as you do. Remain in His Truth. Stand with Abraham Stand with Job Stand with Peter Stand with Paul Prophecy cannot be stopped. You know that many winds of doctrines must rise, even to where the lies would confound the chosen. See? Do you remember that He warned us when He was with us that this would happen? Pray for Discernment … so you can know falsehood before it even introduces itself. Learn from Israel and do not fall for every Church dogma or Church tradition just because a Pastors tells you it’s so. It is it not Scriptural, it could be nothing more than tradition, even when it comes from someone you trust and know loves the Lord. Pray for discernment, even to the point that you can smell it before you see it coming around the corner. In these last and evil days, it is the best Gift you can ask for. Obey. Power and Grace lay in your obedience … as does your understanding. These others seem to glory in damnation. It is as if they are proud to believe that they will be left to suffer a fate worst then this world has ever experienced. Unbelief. And we see that Israel could not enter due to her unbelief. What sort of “spirit” is that? They behave like the heathen. Only the heathen go through so many lengths to fight the Word of God in their journals, YouTube videos, etc. KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS Beware the leaven of the Pharisees … and the delusions of these YouTubers Read more Reply 2 View all 24 replies Terry Owens Terry Owens1 year ago +MessengerOfTruth You need to do a study of the Reformers and see what they thought of the Papacy. You're ignorant beyond words Reply MessengerOfTruth MessengerOfTruth1 year ago +Terry Owens You accuse me of "twisting" and you can neither SHOW it nor can you DEFEND against what I presented. Now you have jumped from that, abandoning your first delusion, into what you THINK I haven't done more than 2 decades ago? And you talk about 'ignorance'? This isn't about the Refomation Period, OR the Catholic Church. SMH @ you amatuers. You don't even know how to keep topic. I'm certainly not interested in your shallow comments that you can neither prove, show, OR defend. So, unless you have something SOLID or MEANINGFUL to add, please forget my name. It'll be less embarrassing for you. I'm not the sort of person who stands at the gate trying to defend a thread, but I'm not fan of stupidity either, and even less of a fan when someone tries to say what {I} think or believe without first ASKING me and WAITING for a response. I have over 50 Scripture in my post, and all you did was focus on something that is NOT even listed? Lemme guess. Middle aged? White? Western? Female? Seems like an epidemic of "stupid" is spreading. Especially about the religious nutjobs. Ignorant you say? LOL! So says the simpleton who said that it was invented at Plymouth and John Darby. Tell us then, O learned one, Darby wasn't born until the 1800s, so how do the writings of the FIRST, SECOND and THIRD CENTURIES get here, which talk about a Pre-Tribulation Rapture, by men like Cyprian, Ephriam and Irenaius? This was a PRE-CONSTANTINE era. Tell us, O wise one, why that Doctrine faded, and then resurfaced in the 1600s, by men like Joseph Mede, William Cunninghame, and even that woman Margaret M (who was influenced by the Church of Irvengnite)? Darby wasn't even born! Oh, and the GAP from the 3rd Century to the 16th Century, might have a little something to do with Catholic suppression of the Church, and the fact that they taught in Latin to keep people stupid, and that they invented lies, and that they worked really hard to keep Bibles out of the common tongueof man ... until English Biblies started to surface in the 1600s, when men began to read for themselves, and many old Doctrines resurfaced? But you dare call ME "ignorant" ... and have the nerve to tall ME to learn about Catholicism? LOL You know, I'm not in the habit of trying to Comair my apples to a fools bunch of sour grapes, but the moment simpletons like you cross over that line, it always ends with you looking like a fool. Stick to topic ... or leave. Choose to stay and continue posting delusion, and be made a fool of. Continue to be a fool, and be blocked. Doesn't matter to me at all really. Read more Reply David Bento David Bento3 months ago Please search for J.D.Farag's unshakeable explanation and teaching of how the rapture is 100% accurate (search in youtube).. I been studying Rapture 4 decades now from every angle and J.D. has the best understandable teaching through the book of revelation.. I will add he is an Egyptian and half Arab Christian and will truly bless anyone on the fence about the pre-trib rapture! <>< Read more Reply 5 View all 3 replies David Bento David Bento2 months ago +Sherine Kimbell Yes? Reply 1 David Bento David Bento2 days ago J.D yesterday was incredible knowledge of what is upon us now,, it is very exciting as we are seeing it unfold! <>< Read more Reply Robert Milton Robert Milton2 months ago you want to see the time line of the rapture, read Matthew 24 24:21 For then shall be "great tribulation", such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven next go find the sun and moon and earthquake and stars fall in Revelation. It is revelation 6. all of the tribulation that happens before this point in the time line is the tribulation that happens before the rapture. than continue to read Revelation after that point to see the "wrath" that we have been raptured from. its very simple, not complicated at all, I hope this helps :) Read more Reply 4 View all 9 replies beforetheseven beforetheseven1 month ago +Robert Milton It's not a waste of time at all and I enjoy the interchange, but as I read your last comment it seems you're confused about the last trumpet. Here is an article that explains it: pre-trib.org Read more Reply 3 PlowsharesintoSwords PlowsharesintoSwords1 month ago (edited) beforetheseven Jesus keeping Passover did not pay for our sins. Feast of Unleavened Bread did not place His body in the grave. Feast of Firstfruits did not Resurrect Him. Feast of Pentecost did not pour out the Holy Spirit. Feast of Trumpets...for 3,500 years of a trumpet blown by a MAN...WILL NOT bring about the "rapture" either...but it will be at that time. Read more Reply Christian Prayer0704 Christian Prayer07042 months ago Christ is coming very, very, very soon. So if your with Jesus Christ do not hide. Reply 4 Turbo Opcija Turbo Opcija2 months ago Yes ohh aleluja and i am Napoleon Bonaparte ! Reply Show more Autoplay Up next After RAPTURE Movie wallytron101 371,002 views 1:28:23 The Gifted One Arxangelism Recommended for you 1:34:54 BEST RAPTURE VIDEO I'VE EVER SEEN!! (Are you ready?) DCD Youth Ministry 111,879 views 13:34 A Watchman Report: Pressure is mounting all around the world! 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